1 Marine vs. 30 Cops (Marine Wins - Cops Leave)

An incredible story that needs to be told and retold.

Good man. Thank goodness for folks like him.

Pavilion,

I so loved this clip about this big man speaking to the outrage of fighting for his countrymen only to come home and find the police abusing these unarmed civiians in the streets of his home town. He simply dwarfed the large contingent of police. The white shirt with the megaphone could not even be heard above him. You could see it working in some of their faces. One officer approached him and said he was from Afghanistan too and the marine said to him: "Then why you doing this, man?"

As far as I could tell, the people on the sidewalk were doing nothing wrong to warrent such a large police presence.

It's all over FB. I MEAN ALL OVER! And here too. Glad to see that.

What an incredible display of courage and honor. Sgt. Thomas, thank you for your service to our great nation, both in Iraq and on the streets of NYC. Your Sir, are a true American.

Great seed, Pavilion. Thank you for sharing that with us.

He said 14 times in Iraq. I don't think he ever served.

And you know this, how?

He must be a detective!

Auto 101

Listen again, he said at about 1:09 that he's been to Iraq for 14 MONTHS.

You are right about part of that statement.

I still don't think he ever served.

WTF? Is this the 2011 equivalent of the 60's-70's spitting on Viet Nam soldiers when they returned?

He don't think.

What is your problem with him? Because he isn't acting as you want? Because he did serve and now you think his being dishonorable?

I'd rather you showed me proof that he didn't serve, then just give your opinion without facts.

1 Marine vs. 30 Cops

Thats one very big boy! Most of the cops looked like they were getting ready to wet their pants~!

If push came to shove, I dont think the 30 cops I saw standing around could take him!!! lol

This large MAN brought my tears.

Thanks to the this Valiant Marine - Sgt. Shamar Thomas.

This large MAN brought tears.

Me too!

Time to retreat 101, you are looking quite foolish with the random notions you are posting.

Don't worry ...this is standard rightie tactics...

Remember how they smeared Kerry during his election campaign casting aspersion on his purple heart ?

Here's the You Tube video;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEgymHDUYVQ

I actually agree, let em protest all they want. What is the harm?

auto stated.

He said 14 times in Iraq.

He accually said, "I served fouteen months, in Iraq."

Just to quell the naysayers, I popped his name into MOL's locater.

Shamar L Thomas Sgt with the Reserves, No unit information.

I'll post a screenshot when I'm home after I edit out my personal information on the top of the screen.

DON'T EVER QUESTION A MARINE'S INTEGRITY OR HONOR, ESPECIALLY WHILE COWARDLY HIDING BEHIND YOUR COMPUTER.

Student of Life,

Thank you. Sargent Thomas has integrity and honor in every cell in his body.

My husband just got home and I had to show him this clip. Sgt Thomas is awesome.

Its beginning to be covered in MSM:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/17/occupy-wall-street-sergea_n_1015902.html

It was the army in Egypt which made their protests a success. They stood between the police and the protesters.

Um, with all due respect, I didn't see any cops hurting anyone.

Auto, you could spit in his face if you think you're man enough. I wouldn't.

Z1P2

The incident with the cops was a previous incident and not at the time of the video. He was out there at another time to stand with the protesters and speak out against the police action previously witnessed.

DON'T EVER QUESTION A MARINE'S INTEGRITY OR HONOR, ESPECIALLY WHILE COWARDLY HIDING BEHIND YOUR COMPUTER.

Always question every thing. or you will find yourself neck deep in a lie.

http://militarytimes.com/projects/hallofstolenvalor/

Yes, there are some people who are just lower than a snake's belly and would claim valor where there is none. However that does not make the majority who really have served not worthy of claiming they have done so.

I will reserve judgement and simply believe until it is proven otherwise.

Sorry you are right poor video sound. I still don't think he ever served.

typical right wing: when you make a point, have an opinion based on perceived facts, then when pointed out that the actual facts are against you, the facts don't matter.

He can easily be lying to intimidate the cops that are doing their job.

how were they doing their job to harass, assault, and detain US citizens exercising their Constitutional rights?

if he was, however, it clearly worked well. so... i guess the cops didn't do their job, if they even were in the first place. hm.

Always question every thing. or you will find yourself neck deep in a lie.

except you're not questioning the police's actions.

well, i question you, and your motivation, and your patriotism and your belief in the rule of law and the US Constitution, rather than just things as you want them.

typical right wing: when you make a point, have an opinion based on perceived facts, then when pointed out that the actual facts are against you, the facts don't matter.

You can have you small minded views I don't care I don't know you have fun

how were they doing their job to harass, assault, and detain US citizens exercising their Constitutional rights?

YOU war assuming the people were doing legal things.

except you're not questioning the police's actions.

That is not what this article is about. They may have doing wrong they many not I was not their and so far it he said she said.

well, i question you, and your motivation, and your patriotism and your belief in the rule of law and the US Constitution, rather than just things as you want them.

Feel free It wont change any thing.

Auto 101 you said that we should "always question every thing or you will find yourself neck deep in a lie." However when this sargent questioned the actions of the NYPD for just following orders and doing their jobs like the Gestapo or the SS from Nazi Germany did in 1939 you seemed to take offense. I am sorry but the "just following orders" argument is how government authority becomes tyrannical and the people lose control of their own elected government whereupon it morphs into a facist kind of government.

This has happened in America before. When WWI veterans protested in Washington D.C. over delayed veteran's benefits that had been promised they were abused. When Ford workers first tried to unionize they were brutally attacked by the Pinkerton Detective Agency under orders from Mr. Henry Ford himself. When college students voiced their lack of support for the Viet Nam conflict on the Kent State campus they were shot at and some died. It is this kind of bravery that helps to prevent us from allowing our own complacency to cause us to slide into tyranny.

Career politicians are like bureaucracies once they get established and they share one very important trait. That is once in place their primary duty and focus is to preserve their position and protect their reason for existing. Once they accomplish that goal it is only a short step to using the federal, state, and local authorities as their henchmen to control an otherwise unruly population who happens to disagree with thier orders. You then have police, as in this case, and soldiers, as in the Kent State case, and even mercenary armed forces, as in the Ford union case who simply follow orders and commit all manner of atrocities upon the very citizens they are supposed to be protecting just because they are demanding that the system, in the form of government or the financial system, serve them instead of falling into corruption and self service as it seems to have done lately.

However when this sargent questioned the actions of the NYPD for just following orders and doing their jobs like the Gestapo or the SS from Nazi Germany did in 1939 you seemed to take offense.

If they were doing what the SS was doing then they should be investigated for crimes agents humanity.

When Ford workers first tried to unionize they were brutally attacked by the Pinkerton Detective Agency under orders from Mr. Henry Ford himself.

And look at what happened to ford. It has had issues with legacy cost ever since.

When college students voiced their lack of support for the Viet Nam conflict on the Kent State campus they were shot at and some died.

I cant comment I have been told in school so many different things about that I really don't know what to believe about that moment.

Most service members would never want to do what a police officerhas to do. For example in AZ a doped up person gets tased and charges police with a knife they shoot him dead. the cops are the bad guys.

To HELL with these "corporate shill" posters! They are as big a traitors to AMERICA as the GOP and the fascist corporate structure....This is a movement "FOR THE PEOPLE", go post your BULL@!$%# on FUX NEWS(?), don't waist our time "here".....

101

you think he's lying ? I think your clueless.

here's photos of the man back in 2005 in the marines !

Lance Cpl. Shamar Thomas of the 3rd Light Armored Reconnaissance Battalion speaks shares his experiences with the children of P.S.135 during his visit.
Photo submitted 05/12/2005 Taken by Cpl. Lameen Witter

http://192.156.19.109/marinelink/image1.nsf/Lookup/2005512182236/$file/Thomas%20talks%20lo.jpg

The entire classroom where Lance Cpl. Shamar Thomas spoke was covered in decorations made by the students who wrote him while he was deployed.
Photo submitted 05/12/2005 Taken by Cpl. Lameen Witter

http://192.156.19.109/marinelink/image1.nsf/Lookup/2005512182720/$file/Blkboard%20lo.jpg

Pictures documenting Lance Cpl. Shamar Thomas's deployment circulated through the hands of P.S 135's students as he shared his experiences with them.
Photo submitted 05/12/2005 Taken by Cpl. Lameen Witter

http://192.156.19.109/marinelink/image1.nsf/Lookup/2005512182432/$file/desk%20pic%20lo.jpg

from a Marine site ..

http://192.156.19.109/marinelink/image1.nsf/imagearchive?OpenForm&Start=31496&Count=1000&ExpandView

Lots of Vietnam Vets, Persian Gulf War Vets, Afghanistan War Vets and Iraq War vets on the street homeless with Post Traumatic Stress Disorder after several tours of doing including direct combat experience.

Point number one, the Iraq War was lied into place by George W Bush and Dick Cheney. That's not an issue with our troops who had more of a sense of honor than the Washington DC desk warriors trying to micro manage combat in the Mideast.

Point number two, the Afghanistan invasion should have been a fast moving military assault against the Al Qaeda leadership with overwhelming air support and the border with Pakistan sealed off. No excuses accepted for not sealing off the Afghanistan border. The next step should have been to LEAVE, telling the Taliban that we would bomb the cr@p out of all terrorists training camps photographed from satellite.

We owe it to our troops to have no more quagmires created by Washington DC desk warriors like Bush and Cheney.

Our rationale for going into the Mideast with our military was to go up against our number one enemy. Its now abundantly clear that the number one enemy of the American people is the Wall Street white collar criminals that just collapsed the economy. They have become the number one enemy of the American people.

Guess how our troops might feel coming back from the Mideast to see our cops acting on the behalf of the corporate slobs that collapsed our economy.

Awesome links, Ripley. Thank you!

The YouTube link is not real obvious... So here it is again...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmEHcOc0Sys

I still don't think he ever served

You are correct....you don't think.

Shared...it's powerful...makes me even more proud of our troops...if that's possible...

People tend to think that, just because we veterans are out of the military, we no longer live by the Oath of Enlistment. When I see cops attack UNARMED civilians who are doing nothing BUT peacefully protesting the current disparaging economic condition we are in, gives a clear understanding as to WHY we will always live by it until the day we die.

As an Army Veteran, I am DAMN PROUD of that Marine Vet/ my "Brother-In-Arms", SGT. Shamar Thomas, for having the courage to stand up in defense of those that are helpless and defenseless, and for being the voice of reason. What he displayed was the epitome of intelligence, strength, and honor.

"ESSAYONS", MARINE!!!!

Kevin

just because we veterans are out of the military, we no longer live by the Oath of Enlistment.

And the sad thing is...there are a lot, but not all...that just don't get it. But those of us that are veterens, have that one true that never be shaken. It's a code we live by...and as long as vets understand it, that's all that truly matters.

SGT Thomas did what we all were trained to do, and what we lived by...protecting. I salute what he's done...and he's done us all proud.

Army Vet

#1.50 and #1.51...Amen and Amen!!

And in case anyone missed it...that there is ARMY Vets supporting a MARINE Vet!...

...you might see them jesting each other in a bar...but I can guarantee you...you DO NOT want to be the one to get between them...and freedom!

Student of Life - - - RE: Comment 1.29 - - - Question EVERYTHING with BOLDNESS or you may find that you have believed a lie with all your being.

wow, Ripley, it's like you've got some magic box that you can learn all manner of things, discern truth from lie, by just pressing a button. bet Auto wishes he had something like that.

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wanna wager on Auto saying that it's not the same guy, that the guy in NYC was an impersonator because the ranks aren't the same?

We should all applaud this vet Shamar Thomas proving the voice of reason triumphs over the madness the police were trying to instigate

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmEHcOc0Sys

This man was definitely out to make a SHOW and was not intervening in any brutality or misconduct from the police. Even though he says at one time the police are in riot gear ... they are not.

He ranted for how long? for almost 5 minutes ... with no provocation other than police in presence to insure peaceful protest. Lots of camera’s though and recorders.

At about 4:22 into the video, he rants ...“my Mom, my Father everybody has served in Iraq & Afghanistan where after 14 months in Af um Iraq ... my Father was in Afghanistan my Mother did a year in Iraq. We fought for this country ... (might be worth fact checking). Somewhere in this seed I saw someone fact his military service and I believe they found credible backup. However, the same people might check that as well. (How old is this guy and how old would his parents be?)

He keeps saying “why are you hurting these people?” Ummm look around you, no one is hurting anyone. You’re the only one yelling insults at the police and trying to incite a response.

His grandstanding didn’t elicit the response that I’m fairly sure he was hoping for. The police acted calmy and asked people to keep moving as they should have. If someone would have started throwing bottles or something else and it lead to further altercations, this guy could have been charged with disturbing the peace or inciting a riot.

and in conclusion, you might also note that the articles headline is wrong and misleading.
(Marine Wins - Cops Leave)??? What is that?

The cops didn’t leave ... it was he who walked away after he was asked by police (for the 20th time) to move down the street after he was done with his rant.

Bad headline from someone.

lol T'omm !

I find it sad with information being easily accessible and for petes' sake ! He's sitting at a computer but too lazy to actually research !!! sadly many are like that.

everyone is entitled to their own opinions , but not their own facts.

Here's another Army vet stopping to salute this Marine!

I don't think any of us "went where we went and done what we done" in order to sit back and watch police officers in the United States beat down college kids. There's no point to anything that's happened in Iraq or Afghanistan if we allow the same stuff that went down in those places under the Taliban or Saddam to happen here.

auto

I still don't think he ever served.

did you ever consider that maybe he is so vocal and upset because he risked his life defending his country and way of life from those who want to destroy it... only to come home to see his own government doing the same thing from within?

You know I don't actually hand out blessings all that often. But I'm happy to bless Shamar Thomas.

If he ran for an office I'd vote for him too.

find it sad with information being easily accessible and for petes' sake ! He's sitting at a computer but too lazy to actually research !!! sadly many are like that.

Yes I'm supposed to believe it because its on the net. I saw a video where a guy had his head blowen up by his son jumped on the raft.

Ripley Thanks for the Links I did not see them. Their are to many lies out there. If you do a search you can find several sites that says more blacks served in the Confederacy than in the North. I have seen some say it's false. My history book in high school said the first use of a sub was in world war 1.

did you ever consider that maybe he is so vocal and upset because he risked his life defending his country and way of life from those who want to destroy it... only to come home to see his own government doing the same thing from within?

I don't have an issue with what he said. All I was saying I don't belive he served First because I taught I heard him say 14 times but I was wrong he did say months I admit I made a mistake. However just because someone said doesn't mean so.

DON'T EVER QUESTION A MARINE'S INTEGRITY OR HONOR, ESPECIALLY WHILE COWARDLY HIDING BEHIND YOUR COMPUTER.

Always question every thing. or you will find yourself neck deep in a lie.

Man! Where were you when we got sucked into Iraq War? You could become our hero and help us save ton of money for this country and its tax payers.

He is looking for his 15 minutes of fame. I do not flaunt my service. I bet he will be on the today show. The cops have to be out there because people are trying to shut down the city. These are public streets and sidewalks.

And everyone has a right to be there.

I don't flaunt my service either, but I'm glad this Marine did.

Maybe more Vets will show up, thanks to him.

Good job Ron. I thought I was the only one who thought this guy was a little over the top. Maybe he was hoping for a little action? Either airtime, or maybe the cops could take a baton to the cranium, and of course it is innocent victim, black, veteran, maybe even unemployed. The story writes itself. Michael Moore would be jumping at the bit to interview him for his next propaganda feature.

I don't think he ever served.

I guess proof has been posted that he is who he says he is. Maybe you should do a little research before you make accusations. A small investment in a spell check wouldn't hurt either. I would say your posts have no credibility here.

Auto 101 What do you want from him, a birth certificate?

And a copy of his DD214?

Maybe the chicken hawks would like to watch the Marine's interview...maybe not, most would rather play Xbox, let others do the fighting while enjoying the umbrella of freedom provided by the man they just called a liar.

Marine Corps veteran, Sgt. Shamar Thomas, talks about why he stood up to denounce police aggression at the protests in New York, and how he hopes to inspire more veterans to speak out.

Semper Fi Devil Dog

You beat me to it, Rodney! Awesome link. I hope all the naysayers and keyboard critics take a gander at it. It might shame them into apologizing to Sgt. Thomas for attempting to smear his good name and good intentions. But then again - I won't hold my breath. Their reaction does shed light on that certain segment of our society that likes to lash out like a cornered beast when they come face to face with honor and integrity. The OWS movement is showing them up for what they really are - greed-mongers and cowards.

euterpe-1641499

Thanks

I would say what I really think about chicken hawks but some viners may have kids near their monitors...

If you do a search you can find several sites that says more blacks served in the Confederacy than in the North. I have seen some say it's false. My history book in high school said the first use of a sub was in world war 1.

it depends on the state from which they were from and the time during the war. For the most part blacks were not considered as serving in the south , but man servants to the whites that were serving ( doing their laundry , cooking , ect...). So if you think of that as serving ? ( although they didn't get paid or recognized ) then yes the south had more blacks ' serving'.

They were serving in the Navy during the Civil war .

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/aia/part4/4p2967.html

Auto 101 typical right wing nut job.....

Always question every thing. or you will find yourself neck deep in a lie.

Then, when faced with proof, say you dont believe it!!!! DENY DENY DENY
Its funny how the only things you believe in are Fox News and the GOTP.

LOL what a tool....

PS. If he was not a ligit soldier, dont you think your buddies at Fox would have been all over this, exposing him as a fraud?

A point that seems to be missing in the discussion, is that the soldier was reflecting on his time in a combat zone in a foreign country, with ARMED opposition, and the PEOPLE were treated better than the OWS unarmed protesters in NY were. What the guy was saying to the police, I am in full agreement with; why are YOU doing this to American citizens....by what authority,do you not have a conscience... Why, Why Why...

Why physically assault unarmed citizens for exercising their rights. To be a member of the armed services, and see the Constitution being subverted and ignored, is hard for patriotic veterans to just... observe.They are left with an innner feeling that SOMETHING IS WRONG. Putting ones life on the line OVER THERE, then coming home to something worse, is disconcerting! Begs the question to them, what did I sacrifice for? Are the Tenents of democracy and citizen rights, only pertinent OVER THERE...or just a bunch of bs, period....

Most veterans understand,FREEDOM AIN'T FREE; never to be taken for granted. And once gained,will never be abandoned...for self or fellow citizens...otherwise, what is the f&c+!g point...Great job Sgt, for standing up for YOUR COUNTRY, and for what it is suppose to stand for...

I am just so damn proud of this Sgt. and of all our vets and hope that more and more of them come out to protect the nonviolent demonstrators at OWS.

To all of you in the seed who have served, a big thank you from a vet's wife. To Sgt. Thomas, a special thank you.

101

you think he's lying ? I think your clueless.

here's photos of the man back in 2005 in the marines !

Lance Cpl. Shamar Thomas of the 3rd Light Armored Reconnaissance Battalion speaks shares his experiences with the children of P.S.135 during his visit.
Photo submitted 05/12/2005 Taken by Cpl. Lameen Witter

http://192.156.19.109/marinelink/image1.nsf/Lookup/2005512182236/$file/Thomas%20talks%20lo.jpg

The entire classroom where Lance Cpl. Shamar Thomas spoke was covered in decorations made by the students who wrote him while he was deployed.
Photo submitted 05/12/2005 Taken by Cpl. Lameen Witter

http://192.156.19.109/marinelink/image1.nsf/Lookup/2005512182720/$file/Blkboard%20lo.jpg

Pictures documenting Lance Cpl. Shamar Thomas's deployment circulated through the hands of P.S 135's students as he shared his experiences with them.
Photo submitted 05/12/2005 Taken by Cpl. Lameen Witter

http://192.156.19.109/marinelink/image1.nsf/Lookup/2005512182432/$file/desk%20pic%20lo.jpg

from a Marine site ..

http://192.156.19.109/marinelink/image1.nsf/imagearchive?OpenForm&Start=31496&Count=1000&ExpandView

BWhahahaha, so much for saying I think before you know. That reminds me of the famous futurist engineer and inventor Jacque Fresco who once said that he preferred the company of engineers because instead of sitting around saying "This is what I think," like many of the idiots in our society, when engineers get together they say things like, "This is what I know, and here's what I can do as a result." For many people what they think isn't what they really know, and they don't care, so what they think becomes all they know, no matter how idiotic or wrong they are.

I'm proud of the Sgt Thomas and I thank him for his service to our country and I respect his passion. I will always have a soft spot for Marines, though I never had the opportunity to serve due to an injury I suffered weeks after I completed OCS for the Marine Corp.

However, the video was a bad example. The police officers were acting as professionals trying to keep a street clear of civilians. I heard on multiple occasions the police officers say please and they kept a civil tone. They were doing their jobs. My guess is that Sgt Thomas got caught up in the moment and was reacting to the crowd of protesters.

I am very proud of Sgt Thomas. I am glad he is Marine.

The problem is, many of the so called 99ners that are not fans of the military will use this clip for their own benefit. They will exploit Sgt Thomas for their own gain.

Keep in mind, Sgt Thomas didn't voice support for the protesters, he was voicing his disapproval for police brutality. If that happened and he saw it, then I will agree with him. However, in this clip you saw none of that.

The people on the streets are called "Occupy Wall Street" because it is their intention to clog Wall Street and slow down the cash flow to the uber greedy. Yes, it is a public street, and all people have the right to be there. The police are trying to keep people moving, though, because ... why? People standing are still occupying the same space as people moving. The riots seem to arise when the cops get pushy.

As far as the filming of this incident, some say the Marine was beligerant and standing on a soap box while the cops just stood there. He claimed they were wearing riot gear and harassing innocent people. First, we saw the film AFTER he got there. We never saw the BEFORE that led up to his oration. Second, we have all SEEN what the police have done to push their presence through the street, so the absence of tear gas and whatnot during the shooting does not negate his need to defend those who were attacked by the police in previous situations. Third, the police are silent, largely throughout his whole speech. Some might interpret this as their docile presence. Others, like me, might have BEEN there and seen the police act in one way when they know they are being filmed and in another way when they think they are covert. Also, it's very possible, although only minutely, that the police actually heard this guy and understood he was in the right. It is possible they kept silent out of respect for him.

I know I respect him. I know I respect the people putting their lives on hold for the good of the whole 99%. Whether he was there to protect those in the street or just say what was on his mind, I believe he is dead right.

I cried a couple tears watching this too! Wow. There was no way those cops were going to make a you-tube sensation out of taking down a marine who's beef with the police is police abuse of protesters!!! We need more soldiers like him supporting the OWS Movement &/or protecting the protesters! With Cops, one bad apple really does spoil the whole bunch - if not only because of the blue code of silence which prevents good cops from snitching on bad cops - and which requires good cops to be supportive of bad cops even when the bad cops get caught and are going through trial to ultimately be convicted. Yes their are good cops not beating protesters, maybe even most officers in NY. BUT, the ones who are beating protesters and acting a fool while on the job, are shielded by all the good cops - even ones who witness the abuse!?! Sickening, and soldiers who stand up against such abuse are acting accordingly to what they believe they have fought for.

However, the video was a bad example. The police officers were acting as professionals trying to keep a street clear of civilians. I heard on multiple occasions the police officers say please and they kept a civil tone.

For all we know, this is only thanks to his presence. We already know the Police are prone to go overboard as standard practice - and as you say, they were somewhat subdued in this vid. I think it was from direct orders from one of the Police with gray hair there, specifically because of all the cameras and a large angry soldier upset about police abuse of protesters - Just imagine the headlines and chatter on the net!!! Imagine how much fuel would be added to the movement.

i stand with the real true occupiers,occupy wall street

Sgt. Thomas was on Olbermann last night. The interview is up on Current's site. He is a third generation soldier. He sounded like a really great guy. The video taken of him standing up to the cops is clearer and you can hear him and see the doubt in the cops eyes. Way cool!

For evil to triumph, it it only necessary for good men to do nothing.

A paraphrase, but you get the drift.

proud of you, Sgt.

A small investment in a spell check wouldn't hurt either.

What are you going to give me a grade? This is a form not school. Stop being a spelling Nazi.

. Maybe you should do a little research before you make accusations.

Saying I don't think he is is different then I know he doesn't.

Auto 101 What do you want from him, a birth certificate?

Why would I?

"This is what I know, and here's what I can do as a result."

But first they say I think this might happen and then try it. I love proving engineers wrong when they try to tell me how to be an Auto technician its fun and easy.

For all we know, this is only thanks to his presence. We already know the Police are prone to go overboard as standard practice - and as you say, they were somewhat subdued in this vid. I think it was from direct orders from one of the Police with gray hair there, specifically because of all the cameras and a large angry soldier upset about police abuse of protesters - Just imagine the headlines and chatter on the net!!! Imagine how much fuel would be added to the movement.

Hardly a good taser would stop most people (unless it missed) no matter how big you are. I have Size means nothing againstnumbers and Cops are trained also and many of them are in the National guard had more than a few cops have been deployed..

Why are you people so anti police?

So if you think of that as serving ?

I'm talking about as combat troops.

Auto 101 typical right wing nut job.....

Why because I don't believe every thing people say?

Then, when faced with proof, say you dont believe it!!!! DENY DENY DENY
Its funny how the only things you believe in are Fox News and the GOTP.

NO I can see what he has posted and have not said I don't think he is I can see that it is defiantly most likely that he served in the armed forces and good for him. I don't watch fax I watch CNN MSNBC is the lefts version of faults news

LOL what a tool....

Thanks I love to use my intelligence to fix cars and that is why I can get a job easily.

PS. If he was not a ligit soldier, dont you think your buddies at Fox would have been all over this, exposing him as a fraud?

I have not watched FOX in almost 5 years.

It must take a really really long time to get their stuff out of your system!

He was interviewed last night on Keith Olbermann's show. The video was replayed several times also. This man is an inspiration. He is from a military family going way back and brought something which has been missing from the way the cops have been ordered to behave; honor.

It must take a really really long time to get their stuff out of your system!

What do you think I should take their stuff with out question? You want me to never question Fox? really?!?!

cops have been ordered to behave;

They are not really ordered to behave like that. The troops are ordered to not have sex when deployed has that stoppedthem? The police have in ways a harder job than the troops. you have bad cops and good just like you have bad soldiers and good ones.

Remember guys, DNFTT... they just multiply... ;~)

what just because I questioned I'm now a troll?

This is a form not school

This is not a form. A form is something you fill out. You might be referring to a forum. A forum is:

meeting or assembly for the open discussion of subjects of public interest

Saying I don't think he is is different then I know he doesn't.

Well it appears that you thought wrong.

He said 14 times in Iraq. I don't think he ever served. He is just impersonating one.

Sorry you are right poor video sound. I still don't think he ever served.

Would it be ok to spit in has face if he got a home for free for lying about it and never served?

Bla bla bla

He can easily be lying to intimidate the cops that are doing their job.

http://militarytimes.com/projects/hallofstolenvalor/

However just because someone said doesn't mean so.

Saying I don't think he is is different then I know he doesn't.

You know those are some pretty strong statements I copied and pasted above, for someone who doesn't know. And now, after you have been proven wrong, instead of giving this guy the credit he deserves you continue to argue from a defeated position. Make no mistake. Go back and read the thread again. You made a stand that you believed this guy was masquerading as a Marine when he wasn't one. And you argued the point. Now you have been proven wrong. Maybe you should just hang this one up.

auto, i didn't call you a troll.

So, all you proved, Auto, is that what you "think" is to not be taken seriously. Basically, you discredited yourself. Nice way to admit you were wrong though.

Would it be ok to spit in has face if he got a home for free for lying about it and never served?

Uhhhhhhhm geeeeeee, I don't know.......... Would it be alright if he spit in your face if you were wrong about him?

abolish taxes - - - In Auto 101's defense. Just because you are wrong about one part of a statement, does not mean that you are "discredited". I could say that Steve Jobs died last Friday (that would be a wrong statement) ... but the fact remains that he did die last week.

no. and thanks for correction my spelling.

People love to set things up just look at the kids with ACORN. Sorry for questioning things. Maybe I should watch FOX because they said all the news channels are wrong. they have not said other wise when I was watching so Fox must be right You don't thing I should question or have feelings.

I said I don't think he was a member of the services I never said what he did was right or wrong.

Well it appears that you thought wrong

and you are right I was wrong. but is it wrong to ever question? or to think?

By the way I am sorry about my Grammar and spelling to the Nazi's on that thing. I graduated high school in California with a third grade level in reading and spelling. Reading is easy to teach yourself Spelling is a lot harder and that can be understandable when your trying to learn the worlds only class 5 language. I have Gone to an Automotive school and I Do what I love I made it through school with a 4.0. I don't care if you don't believe me. It does not affect me one bit. To date I have read over 600 books twice (I love reading) including the Bible 5 times. I study new Diagnostic tips for my work 1 hour every day. Am I telling the truth? you can not verify it it is my word if you doubt it that is your choice. I don't force you to do any thing.

The other day were were in a service station and two privets in uniform were asking for money so they could get gas to visit their family my wife a SSG riped them for violating the "You are not to ask for charity in uniform." I don't know the actual verbiage she does. In my life I have met two people pretending to be military.

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So, all you proved, Auto, is that what you "think" is to not be taken seriously.

I don't take any thing on the newsvine seriously. I question it and if I have the time I try to research it. Some times I don't have the time.

Basically, you discredited yourself.

Just because I questioned that he is a service member and was wrong? If he was impersonating a service member then I would be right but in this case I was wrong. What is you problem with questioning and having opinion? was I wrong in it yes. are you never wrong?

At least we know now how to make it onto National TV and all the cable outlets. Make an outrageous SHOW in the streets (first looking around to make sure camera's, cell phone video's and recorders are on) then be sure and give your name and contact information at the end. (You have to know this was staged ... there was no provocation involved ... none)

I wonder how much he was paid (you know that evil capitalist method of exchange that OWS hates) for his interviews with Larry O'Donnell anf Keith Olberman plus the various Morning and Daytime Shows he has booked or will book?

Hey, it's not as good as a lawsuit against the NYPD(which is what he was probably hoping for) ... but it' still probably a good chunk of change.

Ron your first paragraph describe the way I remember the tea people acting at those health care town halls.

I wonder how much he was paid (you know that evil capitalist method of exchange that OWS hates)for his interviews with Larry O'Donnell anf Keith Olberman plus the various Morning and Daytime Shows he has booked or will book?

Only big names from my understanding gets paid. the Lower names get air fair and some compensation for lost wage.

At least we know now how to make it onto National TV and all the cable outlets.

Yes just look at balloon boy. Thankfully the evil police found the truth.

Auto, from all your "research" and "questioning" I am sure you can provide me with a link that proves this statement??

the Lower names get air fair and some compensation for lost wage.

So where do I apply??

Angry Left-532262- - - My silence indicates a point you made that I'm having a hard time disputing. Although there has to be a equivalency or legitimacy problem somewhere. :)

the Lower names get air fair and some compensation for lost wage.

So where do I apply??

It's not a job and not every thing is on the web. Not every one is paid. However they have been known to do this for interviews that is desired. Some people just are willing to do it. Its called a disclose. Just like in a settlementthey cant tell you what they got. I don't think that this Sargent got any money.

Here is an example on not every thing is on the net . In the 90's they made a big stink when a large Psychiatrist organisation made a statement that "it is health for children to have sex with adults." that same day they recanted the statement. I cant find it but I know it was made. We even discussed it in school on why they would Say such a statement.

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/34679167/ns/today-entertainment/t/networks-blur-policy-no-pay-interviews/

They have given "goodies".

and you are right I was wrong. but is it wrong to ever question? or to think?

Absolutely Auto. You should always question. But you should attempt to find the answers before you imply that someone has done something. Live and learn.

By the way I am sorry about my Grammar and spelling to the Nazi's on that thing. I graduated high school in California with a third grade level in reading and spelling. Reading is easy to teach yourself Spelling is a lot harder and that can be understandable when your trying to learn the worlds only class 5 language

Auto, sorry about nit picking on your spelling. You can use the spell check on the tool bar above where you are posting. Or you can copy a word that you feel you may have misspelled on the Google search bar and a correction on the word will pop up. Or I have copied and pasted my post into Word and then run spell check if I am tired and am likely to make mistakes. I'm sure the Viners on here have better methods to spell check.

Steve-885087 / #1.65

He is looking for his 15 minutes of fame.

well then he's doing it in defense of others, of innocents, and the American way, unlike, say, Palin, in it for her own glorification.

The cops have to be out there because people are trying to shut down the city.

no people aren't. where have you seen them try to shut down the city. recent polling shows New Yorkers support OWS at just under 70%.

These are public streets and sidewalks.

why, yes; yes they are indeed, so they have every right to them! thank you.

Thomas kept telling the NYPD Officers, "There is no honor in hurting unarmed civilians".... over and over again.

I watched the video a few times and thumbs up to this Marine who defends innocent Americans... This story needs more coverage... wink ;-)

This Marine speaks Truth... Semper Fi and Semper Paratus

Pavilion - - #1.32

One Marine Sargent vs. 30 Cops, sounds like a lite day for the Marine. Good job Marine.

I actually saw a comment decrying the fact that this marine "went on" for five minutes...

...and I thought to myself...what better subject to "go on" about?!...

Pavilion - - - That's the 2nd time you've self-promoted one of your own articles on this seed. I think that is frowned upon by Newsvine and is listed as a violation of CoH or UA (one of the two). It might not be a good thing to do since it is prohibited.

I might be wrong ... but if not (and they notice) don't be surprised if you get a note or suspension from Staff.

Newsvine's primary purpose is to provide a place for people to share and discuss topics relating to the news. Self-promotion, seeding links to your own site(s), and advertising are not allowed. More +

1. Posting full articles (using the "Write Article" feature) that also appear on your blog or web site is acceptable but seeding your own stuff is not.
2. Do not seed links to any sites you're affiliated with.
3. Posting links to drive traffic elsewhere for personal or financial gain is prohibited.

The rule is that you do not promote in a way that drives traffic away from the site...
...it's very often that folks direct traffic to additional articles / seeds on Newsvine...that's OK...

No harm or foul from me...The link to the follow-up seems OK to me...

The link to the other site's comments section is questionable...but not proven to be self-promoting as far as I can see...unless that IS your site...I did not bother to check, since it was in the comments section; and not part of your article until you updated; if it's your site; remove the update link to "We are Democracy" and post a mea culpa instead...

...if it's not your site; it is no more egregious than seeding any article...

...I have really enjoyed this posting on the good Sgt....will check out the follow-up too...

Thanks,

Pavilion - - - Sorry also for the redundancy of my posts. I stopped after 8, but let you know at that time I was not wanting to be malicious.

auto101

Thanks I love to use my intelligence to fix cars and that is why I can get a job easily.

i think it is more a case of you using your training to fix cars...... training and intelligence are two different things, and although you may have the one, you seem to lack the other.

But first they say I think this might happen and then try it. I love proving engineers wrong when they try to tell me how to be an Auto technician its fun and easy

Sure you do, champ. But, just because YOU don't know how to do something that an engineer knows can be done, doesn't mean it can't be done. It just means YOU don't know how to do it.

how to do something that an engineer knows can be done,

The engineers would say "according to my research you cant be right" they then take their car away and get what they say is wrong "fixed" then they come back and I fix it right.

i think it is more a case of you using your training to fix cars....training and intelligence are two different things, and although you may have the one, you seem to lack the other.

You use both. It takes brain storming on the possible causes of the symptoms. Then you start testing starting with the easiest then moving on the more difficult. Sometimes you use the test plan as you are trained but you have to use your intelligence on when you need to disregard the test plans results (the have a history of being wrong or leading you to wrong repairs).

Hardly a good taser would stop most people (unless it missed) no matter how big you are. I have Size means nothing against numbers and Cops are trained also and many of them are in the National guard had more than a few cops have been deployed..

That's not the point. They could have politely handcuffed him & taken him away to be processed - he probably wouldn't have resisted - But even that on youtube would be a sensation. The next day there would be 100 Marines out there, and if one of them got in a tussle w/ Police, the next day there would be 1000 Soldiers between OWS & the Police - it might happen anyway.

msg#1.116 I agree

The next day there would be 100 Marines out there, and if one of them got in a tussle w/ Police, the next day there would be 1000 Soldiers between OWS & the Police - it might happen anyway.

Maybe, maybe not . Only the future will tell that one.

jamithy1 #1.119 -

i think it is more a case of you using your training to fix cars...... training and intelligence are two different things, and although you may have the one, you seem to lack the other.

Your reply suggests that you believe you have a superior intelligence to Auto101. It also suggests you feel anyone who chooses to work with their head and hands is less worthy of respect. Why do you find it shameful to do honest physical labor,?

Have you tried repairing your vehicle, assuming you can afford one? The newer cars are incredibly complicated, computerized and require a knowledge of machinery, physics and problem solving.

Do you think someone like the folks that work for Chip Foose are less intelligent then you because they work on cars? IsGene Winfield an idiot because he has spent years working on cars? What about the men and women who design, build, tune and adjust the NASCAR, Indy and Top Fuel Dragsters? Think they are of low intelligence and only got their jobs because of "training"?

I think you attack Auto101 unjustly and are willingly participating in a left wingnut feeding frenzy pack mentality of this seed. As a follower and not a leader, does that make you more intelligent then those of who chose to think for themselves and voice their opinions?

That was @!$%#ing awesome. A real American.

Your reply suggests that you believe you have a superior intelligence to Auto101. It also suggests you feel anyone who chooses to work with their head and hands is less worthy of respect. Why do you find it shameful to do honest physical labor,?

American. I think it is clear that jamithy is not generalizing in his statement about all blue collar workers, and is speaking specifically about Auto's posts. Auto even admits that he has some reading issues:

I graduated high school in California with a third grade level in reading and spelling.

I think you are adding more to jamithy's post than what he was trying to convey.

I doubt that one of us denigrates the blue collar worker, especially in this climate. That sort of thinking is the brainwashing that the 1% like to impose to make sure we are divided from our brethren. Whether we take our shower before or after our shift, we are all the pawns of the 1%.

I did shift work for most of my working life because I lacked a degree due to teenage parenthood. It took 30 years to get my B.A., and I didn't quit my job and go all corporate because I was making 63k a year plus OT. So, most of my pals are blue collar, and they are more down to earth than the management track peter principle dorks who think they are better than the rest of us because a rich mo-fo told them so.

The engineers would say "according to my research you cant be right" they then take their car away and get what they say is wrong "fixed" then they come back and I fix it right.

Riiiiiiight. You clearly do not understand the level of engineering of which Jacque Fresco was speaking. BTW he actually built his inventions himself. He didn't have to rely on mechanics who did not have the know how to accomplish what he knew could be done.

Auto even admits that he has some reading issues:

I actually no longer have reading issues I have not had it for a very long time. That is what I meant by reading is easier to teach yourself. I probably should have also mentioned that I also graduated with a College sophomore level of comprehension.

I have no idea how Auto101 manifests his reading disability but he has learned to make a living doing what he is good at and enjoys. Based on jamithy1 comment, he clearly implied that because Auto101 openly admitted he has a learning disability then Auto101 is somehow less intelligent then jamithy or any other "normal" reader. To belittle or question the intelligence on ANYONE for having a learning disability is distasteful at best and lacking in compassion or understanding.

People with learning disabilities are not stupid, dumb or lacking in intelligence, they just need to learn the info in a different then "normal" manner. LD people are as smart as, if not smarter then, average/normal readers. This is a proven fact: Thomas Edison had difficulty in reading until he was twelve and continued to have problems writing the remainder of his life. Supposedly De Vinci was dyslexic and Mozart was said to have suffered a combination of ADHD and Tourette's Syndrome because of his uncontrollable motor hyperactivity and verbal outbursts. Woodrow Wilson did not learn the alphabet until he was 9 and he was unable to read until an age of twelve. General George Patton had learning disabilities. Charles Schwab was dyslexic. Albert Einstein was a 'below average' student in grade school. He did not speak until he was three and was mathematically weak as a child. And we all know the rest of Albert's story or should. Cher, John Lennon, Robin Willaims, Tom Cruise, Slyvester Stallion, Magic Johnson - all have learning disablities.

A learning disability is manifested in four forms depending on how the brain processes information - Input, assimilation, retention and output. The input stage is related to perception of information. Assimilation is related to interpretation of information. There can be problems in memorizing and retaining the things perceived, while the disability concerned with output is characterized by difficulties in retrieval and presentation of the retained information.

Personal note: My youngest daughter has a language based learning disability. I can tell you she is not lacking in intelligence. Her learning disability was caused by gran mal seizures. Each seizure she had damaged the area of her brain that controls written word recogniton, recall and writting. As an adult she must struggle daily to live with this problem. She has a very high mechanical sense and unusually well developed spatial contextual awareness. I learned about famous people with learning disabilities to help her feel better about herself and to keep her from believing the hurtful words of the bullies at school. ( And it seems the school yard bullies have all grown up and now are on Newsvine as well.)

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American Dreams - - - Good essay on individuals with learning disabilities. I learned something from your well written piece

However from the best of my memory, Auto never said he was LD ... just a product of the California public school system which I can totally understand, having had my kids grow up in the same environment.

My business had not taken off yet, so I could not afford to put them in Private School at the time (though I wish I could have). The teaching in the California Public School System was (and from most results I've seen) still is horrendous and I was not able to home school them much because of being a single parent with little time spend on the teaching that should have been required of the school system. I still cringe when my daughter asks me questions on geography and history that I knew in Jr. High.

I think someone else on this seed was just trying to be malicious and trying to morph what he said into a slur. I may be wrong, but I think it was a veiled attempt to attack him because of some disagreement on another issue.

Rock on Auto ... and props for overcoming the disservice called the California Public School System. and their oh so well-entitled and tenured educators.

he clearly implied that because Auto101 openly admitted he has a learning disability then Auto101 is somehow less intelligent then jamithy or any other "normal" reader. To belittle or question the intelligence on ANYONE for having a learning disability is distasteful at best and lacking in compassion or understanding.

no, my comment was basically saying that his assumptions about the marine, to me come off as unintelligent. When you make statements accusing someone of being a liar with absolutely no reason to do so, or any evidence to back up your claims, then you are speaking unintelligently.

It also suggests you feel anyone who chooses to work with their head and hands is less worthy of respect. Why do you find it shameful to do honest physical labor,?

I never said or implied any such thing.

I think it is clear that jamithy is not generalizing in his statement about all blue collar workers, and is speaking specifically about Auto's posts.

thankyou gillinator..

I may have improperly used the term LD in reference to his comments. When Auto101 comes back on later today I hope he will feel inclined to explain what his reading problem was. A bad school environment, unmotivated Teachers, undiagnosed dyslexia, etc. could easily be why he struggled with reading. My daughter made great progress in improving her reading level since she graduated High School 10 years ago. She was able attend college for a few semesters. However this summer she suffered a 7 minute long gran mal seizure followed by several absence status sezuires and her progress was bascially wiped out.

undiagnosed dyslexia, etc

I don't have that.

and yes they said I had some issues one of them was anger when I was young. I was expelled in 4th grade (it is funny I had as many rewords as i did pink slips). And they gave my parents three options Military school, explosion for the rest of my life, or the Genesis program. When I left that program. I was on the road on how to control my temper. I have not been in since a fight in 6 grade. I would describe myself as one of the kids in the corner of the class know one knows but every one can get along with but he keeps to himself. The last fight I was in I didn't even fight back because I choose to do what they told you to do don't fight back. the kid got one day suspension I got five "because he had witness that I started it and I fought back. He didn't bother me after that because I told him if he touches me again I will kill him (which I wouldn't). I have dealt with office bullies in a smiler way.

However My anger was not the only issue I could not talk until I was 4 I was even diagnosed4 times with Autism. They latter changed it to what they said a newer classification(the name is kept in my baby book because even my mother a nurse has a hard time pronouncing it) that only 30 other kids were diagnosed with it before (1984-85). They told my parents that he would most likely grow out of it just like most of the other kids. My reading and spelling was still behind My parents kept trying to help me read and were asking the teachers what is the best way to teach me (because what they were doing with my brother didn't work with me). They told my parents they they would tell them when they figured out how I learned. then in 11th grade they said he would just have to use a dictionary for the rest of his life and he may never read.

Today I almost never lose my temper I even have coworkers say how do you deal with that person.

By explosion, you meant expulsion - right ? I'm just making sure...otherwise....yikes! Some strict schools you went to if THAT were on the table.

Look, my beef with you Auto on this is that you called the Marines integrity into question, and Marines routinely sacrifice their lives for their honor and the honor of the Marine Corps. If he weren't a Marine and was wearing the uniform of one, I promise you that actual Marines would rectify the situation most ricky-tick.

You have doubts about his veracity, that's fine. But when you get proven wrong, man up, and apologize for the mistake. Don't defend the indefensible.

I do though applaud you for your Marine-like attitude overcoming your childhood. Many of us are not a product of our youth, but rather a victim of it. I too, am one of those 'victims' whose success has been the antithesis of my upbringing..

One of the Marine Corps mottos is "Improvise, adapt, and overcome." I think you did that very will given your situation. Good on you.

By explosion, you meant expulsion - right ?

yes.

You have doubts about his veracity, that's fine. But when you get proven wrong, man up, and apologize for the mistake. Don't defend the indefensible.

I did not know he was here to apologizeto. I was defending my right to question. Of late a lot of people have been staging false representations. I know for a fact Muckraking is still practised in the news (just look at fox and MSNBC).

I promise you that actual Marines would rectify the situation most ricky-tick.

That would only happen if their was a true Marine to confront impostor. They had I Identity thief go on posts dressed like a Military person getting "Military surveys" He used that to get their S.S. and steal there Identity ON POST (they are finally removing that on the ID's). now he was not doing that but there are a lot of people that want the fame of being a war hero. Real one I salute Fake ONES I want to kick in the face. I don't usually voice my doubt about people but I take clams that I don't know of "truth" as a grain of sand. When some one pointed out that I miss heard him at 1 minute 9 seconds I said I was wrong but That doesn't mean I take his clam as valid just because I miss heard him.

Just because you say your a top secret Black Barret doesn't mean I should believe it's true.(as one impostor clamed)

Auto101

Just because you say your a top secret Black Barret doesn't mean I should believe it's true.(as one impostor claimed)

So very true! It is my understanding the TRUE, honest to goodness, black ops trained people never reveal they were or are Black ops.

This link is to a site that lists people suspected of stolen valor and impersonating military members. I am not sure when it was last updated but the Marine is not listed on this particular site. That is not to say he is not on another site's list.

My question is why is he identifying himself as SGT when he is no longer active or enlisted. I don't go about identifying myself as TSgt American Dreams even tho I earned the rank while I served. My father never referred to himself as First Sgt. Roepke when he was retired and in a civilian environment. Nor did he go by SMSgt Roepke when he was a Plant manager for Honeywell.My father-in-law was a battle tested Marine and a survior of Iwo Jima. He never refered to himself as Gunnery Sgt.

http://www.pownetwork.org/phonies/phonies1040.htm

The best way to "miss the message"...is to "attack the messenger"...

...go figure...

What in the @!$%# is going on.....the guy can call himself whatever the @!$%# he wants.

He was in a uniform he earned, with decorations he earned, using a rank he earned and the righties cant stand it.

Get over it, the guy has an opinion and can use whatever it takes to get his message out. They get all pissy about this guy but those @!$%#tard tea baggers wear uniforms from 200 years ago and they dont say @!$%# about that. They let their disparaging the uniform crap just apply when it suits them.

For @!$%#s sake.

Angry - Before you start typing, do you pump yourself up so that you can type angrilly or does it just come out naturally? I hope its all just a show, its not healthy to be this angry. By the way, you will not win anyone over by calling them @!$%#tards. If you want people to listen to you and your opinion you have to approach them with respect.

For @!$%#s sake.

I'm an angry person.....as my therapist would say "being angry is alright, it's what you do with that anger that means anything". It might not be healthy but it drives me and has made me who/what I am today. My anger does me well....other people, not so much.

Honestly, I don't care if the tea people listen to me or not. I don't have to give them any respect. I don't even have to acknowledge they exist. I don't cater my message to a group of racist elderly angry mostly southern redneck greedy xenophobes. They are kind of like the klan...they are around and you talk about them every now and then, but they are something to be despised and shunned.

They thought they could get away with their nonsense and their pitiful displays of false patriotism and their childish antics and their yelling and screaming. Well the rest of us are starting to yell and scream and be heard. Of course the tea people dont like it, they are being drowned out and will do everything they can to silence any other voices.

Their little fantasy world is collapsing.

They get all pissy about this guy but those @!$%#tard tea baggers wear uniforms from 200 years ago and they dont say @!$%# about that.

If some one wants to wear a stupid 200 year old costume let him I can still make fun of him just like I can make fun of the Zombie OWS people.

He was in a uniform he earned, with decorations he earned, using a rank he earned and the righties cant stand it.

He earned his. but other people have bought theirs to show off people.

Just look at Robert Elmer Kleasen He calmed a lot of things one of them was a pilot that shot down 34 migs and a CIA assassin and a U2 test pilot. Did he earn that right to have a uniform and his metal? Should have his wife questioned his service before she married him?

Get over it, the guy has an opinion and can use whatever it takes to get his message out.

Good for him. I heard his message. He did not want the police to "hurt unarmed civilians".

as my therapist would say "being angry is alright,

He is wrong it is science that the angrier you get the lower you IQ goes.

I think at this point we know the Marine is the real deal. And I personally believe that he felt that the protesters were not a threat. Especially compared to what he had been dealing with in Iraq for 14 months. At any rate I think the guy has a right to express his opinion.

200 year old costume

So when does it go from a uniform they are disrespecting to a costume??

If I went and dressed in WW2 gear would that be a costume?? How about Vietname era?? Whats the cut off??

Isn't the message the same....except the tea people are wearing @!$%# they never earned. They do it just to reinforce their message...the same thing the Sgt is doing.

uniform they are disrespecting to a costume??

Some times it is one in the same but as much as they think they are they are not a colonial they are not in the revolution the uniform has not been used in 200 years by the US.

If I went and dressed in WW2 gear would that be a costume?? How about Vietname era?? Whats the cut off??

Did you wear it? If you are a WW2 vet and you put on your Class A's then it is a Uniform. If you were never their you are wearing a costume. My grandfather in law was a Colonel and served in three wars when he puts on his class A's it is a Uniform Just like when My Father in law puts on his uniform on (he was a Major) it is not a costume because he was there and he earned it. if he was not their then it is a costume of a Class A's uniform of a major. and yes Vets can wear their old uniforms BDU'sor what ever they were called before. and disrespect is a mater of opinion.

except the tea people are wearing @!$%# they never earned.

What they wear is a no brainier to every one that it is a costume. just like the people in Europe that reenact WW2 battles or here the civil war enactments (some do it for fun others think they are actually their).

Isn't the message the same....except the tea people are wearing @!$%# they never earned. They do it just to reinforce their message...the same thing the Sgt is doing.

So you admit this "Sgt" is wearing @!$%# he never earned to get his message across? Could this be a GOTCHA Moment?

How typical of you to attack tea party members for doing what &#@@$& people of other parties have done as well. To my knowledge the person's #@^! party affiliation has not one damned thing to do with "stolen valor"...if there is a connection then $#)@$ post it. ( I added a couple $@#@^! just to make sure you could comprehend my comment. I use to work flight line maintenance and more then a few guys were impossible to communicate with unless your comments were dosed with a liberal amount of swearing in the process.

So you admit this "Sgt" is wearing @!$%# he never earned to get his message across? Could this be a GOTCHA Moment?

I thought it had been established that this guy was who he said he was. What is the problem here?

it was established the guy was a Marine. But that's all.

And you conveniently ignored or side stepped my comment about attacking tea party members by claiming they wear $#@$ they didn't earn to prove a message. I want to know where it is proven that one's party affiliation is directly related to stolen valor (wearing $&*#@ they never earned.)

The only people I have seen protesting in revolutionary war uniforms and decorations are tea baggers.

it was established the guy was a Marine. But that's all.

I think some previous posters had proven that his rank and tours in Iraq were correct too.

The only people I have seen protesting in revolutionary war uniforms and decorations are tea baggers.

They have some older folks in the Tea Party. So those are their actual uniforms. /s

The /s are for some of the....well you know.

And now, there are oldsters in the OWS crowd, too. We might not be able to spend the night in that cold - arthritis, ya know, but we can lend a hand and some advice about how to deal with the police because we've done it before.